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PostSubject: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:23 pm

Is it a good thing or a bad thing?


I honestly think that it could be either of the two. It is a good thing for killing germs, but it can also weaken and kill your natural immune system if used too often.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:24 pm



It's really pointless in my opinion. I'm not too worried about where my hands go (although I wouldn't just put them in unusual places just for the laughs, if you know what I mean XP), and I honestly rarely get sick.

Besides, its not like you can do much to prevent yourself from getting sick after you've been exposed to something :p

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:40 pm

This is also why I said it could be either. It is mostly pointless, since these types of things only target certain illnesses. However, there are some shots that are good, but they do not belong here.


I find the following useless:
Hand Sanitizer
Flu Shot
things like Nyquil, Bentleys, etc. for common colds...

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:33 pm

In Basic Military Training especially during Beast week (A simulated deployment) they emphasized very heavily on using hand sanitizer frequently. Then again, with the sanitation issues of having over 50 people from all over the country (And even a couple from Puerto Rico) sleeping in tight quarters under those conditions it's not that surprising.
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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:44 pm

Yikes! Anyway, for those conditions... I understand. However, when at school they advertise it so much, it seems kind of unhealthy.

They even have "posters" that give you the steps of using it.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:56 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:40 pm

So, you agree to disagree with using them?

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Oh my god! It is Blood Djinni! He runs the immune system for one or two people... Hehehe.
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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:43 pm

Honestly, I don't really care. We have an immune system for a DAMN GOOD REASON. People need to give it more credit.

Those who don't deserve the death they got.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:47 pm

Cool. I think that they should be used in certain areas only (for example, places where things have to be disinfected, like hospitals or cramped places). However, at places like schools? They are killing kids' immune systems before they even have a chance, lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:50 pm

True, but people need to realize something - modern medicine is preventing the human race from evolving properly. We're keeping the weak alive, thus subverting the processes of natural selection. If we want to keep modern medicine and still evolve, we need to do it artificially - through Genetic Manipulation.

Which has problems in and of itself. Basically, you can choose Stagnation, or to throw away your morals... be doomed to slow, stagnant extinction, stop using medicine, or use genetic manipulation.

NOT an easy choice. But not one people think about.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:21 pm

That is true. Anyway, I understand why some people should be kept alive if they are weaker, but not everyone needs it. Anyway, I think some people are already adapting, but some of it is unhealthy...

For example, in city areas, people are breathing in polution, and-oh, this is out of topic, lol.

So, to get back... Getting these shots and trying to kill germs allows different diseases to travel and breed, in my opinion.

Anyway, completely out of the topic... George Carlin fan by chance?

Also, did anyone watch that video about what they put in Flu Shots (the show is a comedy, but it makes sense).

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:45 pm

hand sanitizers... I was on a cruise this summer (yeah Canada/Alaska, didn't talk much about that here huh?), and there was this kid named Juni (or Mocah, whatever) that drank it for the alcohol. he was 14 or something?
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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:13 pm

Ew, that is kind of strange. I would say that the Hand Sanitiszers are more toxic than alcoholic though (even though there is alcohol in them), kind of like Rubbing Alcohol.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:21 pm

yeah, he found out about that the hard way.
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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:43 pm

Yikes... What happened to him that made it "the hard way"?

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:27 pm

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True, but people need to realize something - modern medicine is preventing the human race from evolving properly. We're keeping the weak alive, thus subverting the processes of natural selection. If we want to keep modern medicine and still evolve, we need to do it artificially - through Genetic Manipulation.

Which has problems in and of itself. Basically, you can choose Stagnation, or to throw away your morals... be doomed to slow, stagnant extinction, stop using medicine, or use genetic manipulation.

NOT an easy choice. But not one people think about.
I know this sounds like a horrible thing to say... but I agree with "medicine meddling with evolution". The reason why certain disorders are on the rise is because those people didn't die in their youth like cruel mother nature intended them to. Science is trying to play good-guy, but it's only good for us in the short period - this "allowing those born less fortunate to live" ideology is great on a moral perspective, but those genes will be more spread out throughout the population if they survive, possibly making the problem worse for our descendants.

I think that in vitro fertilization can have a similar effect, producing more infertile descendants. Then again, no way in hell is Homo sapiens going to live for eternity.

also yay someone who believes in evolution (It's always annoyed me that people try to tell me that evolution is completely false, especially when these same people want their religious beliefs being taught in biology >_> It's a larger number than I would want to know)

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:13 pm

And I agree with you (yay for evolution!!!)!

I also agree that these genetic disorders should not be spread unless they can be treated/cured, but at times there are random mutations that cause them (not by reproduction), and sometimes it has nothing to do with the gened in the first 22 pairs of chromosomes at all.

For example, Haemophilia was supposedly caused by an unknown factor in Queen Victoria's family (I don't know exactly what happened, but the gene just mutated). I think she was a carrier herself, and gave the disorder to one of her sons. Eventually, that disease spread itself, and now we have people who can't form scabs to stop bleeding without medication.

And there are some disorders, like Klinefelter's, Super Male, and Turner's. These are affected by extra X or Y chromosomes.

And there is your free biology lesson for today (lol).

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:14 pm

I know, it's sad, but true. You can either choose to cling to your Morals, or you can chose to secure the survival of the species.


Evolution exists, and I DO believe in God (for example, did you know that the Big Bang theory was made by a CATHOLIC priest? Yup, it follows scripture! Take that, people who say science and religion don't mix!).

Also, I can't believe all those hypocrites in the liberal left - CAPITALISM is the theory of evolution applied to economics. That's why the US thrived - the nation was able to evolve thanks to the forces of evolution hard at work in the economy. Socialism is -le gasp- the moral murder of the processes of evolution. And to think, they think that people are stupid for not believing in evolution. Frick'n' hypocrites.

For economics? Screw morals, I'll choose to live. For Biology? That's a much harder choice... Should I give the finger to another human so that the species may survive as a whole? Or should I do what most consider the 'right thing', and help him out?

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:22 pm

This is true. I understand why they would want to keep some of the people with these disorders or syndromes alive, but until they can guarantee a cure for some of these other ones (the more physically painful/mind altering/retarding ones), then I see little reason why a child should live for four or five years and only know pain.

However, when the time comes and they can easily cure these, then why not keep the people alive (it is obviously too early for some of these)?

And I know what some people think... Either keep them alive or let them be born in case a cure is found during their time... I think that it would be better for people to try to give these disorders to, for example, pigs. Since the pig fetus is so close to that of a human's, then similar cures might work on it.

And yes, testing products on animals is cruel, but many people breed and eat pigs anyway (coming from an animal lover, who also eats them (oh the irony)).

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:00 am

Testing things on animals is NOT cruel. It's a necessity. Would you rather we tested it on humans? Or things that we humans see as potential food? There's plenty of food for us, so... yeah.

PETA can burn in hell, I'm eating meat, and I'm testing things on said meat before I use it on myself.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:45 pm

PETA is retarded. There are parts of the human body that are obviously designed for carnivores (eyes in the front, canines, useless appendix)... but it seems impossible to tell anyone obsessed with "animal rights". Testing on animals is a necessity, but they should be treated well and not be given any punishment besides strictly what they are testing.

I don't think animals should be mistreated for the sake of a better burger, but that's no reason to stop eating meat altogether. I eat meat that was raised on farms using old techniques, so the animals are generally treated better than those that go in your Chicken McNuggets.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:04 pm

Yuck! Chicken McNuggets... Barf!

Anyway, I agree with both of you there. I just wanted to say that before starting an "Animal Rights (to which animals?)" topic.

Anyway, testing things on animals can be fine, but as long as the subjects are only those that are bred domestically (or are found in vast numbers in ther wild), in my opinion.

Then again, killing animals that there are huge populations of isn't a good idea either... Just take a look at the extinction of the Passenger Pidgeon. They used to be one of the most popular birds, and now look. All dead.

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Oh wait... Yes, some drugs could be tested on animals, but I would prefer it if they would restrict animal only drugs to non-domesticated animals (or rather, restrict the types of drugs on them).

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:44 pm

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PETA is retarded. There are parts of the human body that are obviously designed for carnivores (eyes in the front, canines, useless appendix)... but it seems impossible to tell anyone obsessed with "animal rights". Testing on animals is a necessity, but they should be treated well and not be given any punishment besides strictly what they are testing.

I don't think animals should be mistreated for the sake of a better burger, but that's no reason to stop eating meat altogether. I eat meat that was raised on farms using old techniques, so the animals are generally treated better than those that go in your Chicken McNuggets.
Not to mention protesting the eating of meat by preforming acts of yuri in the middle of the street. I dunno about you, but if I were a guy, that'd just make me want to buy some hot dogs and eat it in front of them so that they keep doing it, possibly getting more 'steamy' as they do it... Stupid PETAphiles...

The funniest thing was when they said that eating meat makes you fat. That's CARBS, you morons. You know, which comes from PLANTS. Plus, what are they whining about? The torture of living things? What the hell do you think a Salad was made of? Vegetables that were grown and raised for the sole purpose of slaughtering them and feasting upon their corpses. Yes, veggies and fruits had mommies and daddies too. What do you think flowers are? They're PLANT GENITALS. That's right. Oh, and that water you're drinking right now? Billions of microbes were ruthlessly slaughtered just so that it was healthy for you to drink. Yeah, that's right.

Have fun getting your darwin award, freak.

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:10 pm

Honestly, when will they understand that people eating meat is like animals eating meat o.o

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PostSubject: Re: Hand Sanitizer/Vaccines for illnesses   Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:23 pm

I know, right?

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