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PostSubject: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:30 pm

You know how when you summon rush on a boss, you always do rapable damage? Well it seems that even Psynergy can cause rapable damage to bosses when set to Summon type o.O. Found this out by accident in the Link Arena.

Video: Golden Sun TLA: Summon type moves are boss killers
Video #2: Golden Sun TLA: Summon Test


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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:48 pm

Whoa, nearly 2000 damage? Nice. I wonder where did it get the HP % damage modifier, since it isn't supposed to be a summon...
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:53 pm

That's what I wonder too. Also, earlier in the match, it did 2068 damage, and I was just blown away o.O. Too bad I didn't record that part <.<. The weird thing is, is that it's base is only 80 o.O and I looked at the summon bases and they're: 30 (first level), 60 (second level), 120 (third level), and 240 (fourth level) and yet it did somewhere inbetween 3rd and 4th level damage o.O
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:58 pm

Oh neat, that is strange.

I wonder... Does the change appear noticable when you convert, say, Douse into a summon?

Oh yeah, it turns out that I missed a summon or two when I typed that list a while back.

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:58 pm

Idk, but I'm going to go try that now
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:02 pm

If I remember correctly, I think the multiplier is based on the level difference between yourself and your target.
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:07 pm

we both were level 37 so there's no different o.O

EDIT: My Summon test was a fail, so the huge damage probably came from the psynergy's ID tag since Star Mine is an original summon
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:20 pm

Base Damage = Summon Base + [Target's Max HP * 3 * Djinn Used / 100]

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:28 pm

Video #2: Golden Sun TLA: Summon Test
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:52 pm

Odd... if that works with psynergy, then WHY didn't it work when I changed Coatlique into an attack-type summon? It just acted like base damage...

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:54 pm

Perhaps because Coatlique only heals, it doesn't damage the foes.

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:04 pm

Um... Irate

...You CAN change that, you know. With the editor. Just like how they changed psynergy into summons.

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:21 pm

Role wrote:
Odd... if that works with psynergy, then WHY didn't it work when I changed Coatlique into an attack-type summon? It just acted like base damage...

It only worked with Star Mine. The other psynergies (Sabre Dance, Astral Blast, Wing Flutter, and Punji Trap) failed and did base damage, so it may be either a. in the psynergy's ID Tag (if they have one) or b. something we can't understand with the current editor (and may have to hack to figure out the answer)
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:37 am

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...You CAN change that, you know. With the editor. Just like how they changed psynergy into summons.

I know this. I was just thinking that if it is initially a healing summon, then perhaps there is a second value that affects how powerful it is... Or something like that. Not too sure about Golden Sun's data.

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:28 pm

It's possible that the HP damage is determined by something not yet included in the editor, just somewhere in the game's code.

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:52 pm

I have also noticed that it seems only monster skill summons can work like that, for example making Judgment be a Psynergy or unleash removes its HP% damage effect. I didn't test it myself, I merely noticed that in some hacking videos where people did that sort of nonsense.
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:16 pm

I'm fairly certain that the Summon vs Base Damage bit only refers to the AoE's diminishing effect... the HP% damage is totally separate and unrelated.

I've noticed, for example, that Shurriken doesn't have a diminishing area like Base Damage does. There's also the more extreme Base Damage (Diminishing). Summon seems to be in between the two in power.

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:44 pm

Shuriken doesn't diminish because its an EPA that uses multiplier, but has 3 targets instead of two.

I think that Summon diminishing is less than psynergy (both types)
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:54 pm

Summon diminishing is, surprisingly, actually GREATER than Psynergy.
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:33 am

There's two types of Psynergy diminishing. Standard, and (Diminishing). The (Diminishing) is only applied to breath attacks, from what I can tell. It's more extreme than summoning...

And yes, I was pointing out that Added Damage and Multiplier AoE attacks don't appear to suffer from diminishing, Ehic.

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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:40 am

My bad, thank you for correcting me.
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PostSubject: Re: Summon Type Psynergy   Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:23 am

There are some other moves that don't as well, namely ones with "target all enemies". These abilities (like Raging Flood and Watery Grave) seem to do equal damage to every target.

And what about Star Magician? Does Mine Ball do less damage to farther-out targets? I don't remember, which is why I'm asking.
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